Author Topic: Ravenfield Committee Vote Not To Allow Anglers The Right To Fish The Big Pond  (Read 742 times)

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I have just spoken to Terry. At the committee meeting yesterday, the committee voted not to allow carp anglers to fish the big pond this year.

It seems that we have inadvertently shot ourselves in the foot. According to Terry, some anglers have contacted the committee and stated that they are not willing to follow this rule, or that rule, due to believing the rules to be stupid or inconvenient. It was mentioned specifically about anglers believing they should have the right to leave their bivvies up throughout the day.

That being said, I think what is more likely is the fact that some committee members, having internet access and being aware of this website, have viewed some of the unflattering comments that members have made towards the committee, so they are now under the impression that most of the carp anglers will not adhere to any rules that may be set down regarding the week's fishing on the big pond. As such, not wanting for any matchmen to have an unpleasant run in with a carp angler about taking bivvies down, or only fishing with one rod or switching bite alarms off etc, they decided the best thing to do was to cancel the planned event.

Speaking with Terry, I said that I believe the cause of most of the comments aimed at the committee resulted in anglers being so frustrated at having a beautiful water that they longed to fish, but were unable to do so for six months of the year due to the choking weed. And, whether it was true or not, outward appearances seemed like the committee, which was predominantly made up of matchmen, concerned themselves only with the welfare of the match lakes.

I went on to say that this resulted in growing animosity amongst carp anglers in general, and when other things were taken into consideration - such as how on the official Ravenfield website the match details were constantly updated, yet carp anglers were still awaiting the publication of photos they had uploaded three months ago - it only confounded matters.

I do think that we have been guilty of speculating about what rules etc were going to be implemented regarding the proposed week's fishing on the big pond, and told Terry that this had possibly led to some anglers - myself included - making statements that might appear at first glance that we would not follow the rules set down by the committee when they were finally drawn up. I did say that part of the problem was the fact that anglers were being told one thing regarding dates and times etc, only for another angler to be told something completely different a week later, which leads to confusion and frustration. Terry said that anglers were welcome to ring the committee, and that anglers were also welcome to attend any committee meeting, but this again is contrary to what I was told by Martin Read.

In February there is going to be a work party to treat the weed. Terry says the committee accepts this alone is not going to suffice in the battle against keeping the pond clear. As such, they are willing to work with the lads from the carp lake to organise regular work parties throughout the year.

Taking this into consideration, as well as the fact that the committee has viewed this website and its comments (regardless of how justified some of those comments may have been), I would like the go ahead from other members of this website to pen a letter of apology to Ravenfield committee regarding any comments they may have read, or any comments they may have received by any other means, that has caused offence. I will make assurance that any and all rules set down will be followed by members, and explain why, after months of frustration and lack of communication, anglers regretfully were led into making rash statements to other anglers, which on the surface appear to say that rules would be broken, as and when we feel like it.

I know this will have no effect regarding the decision made to stop the week's fishing on the big pond, but it may go a long way into assuring the committee that over the coming months we are a group of responsible, trustworthy anglers that can be relied upon to help keep the carp lake in top condition, and not a group of do-as-we-please idiots that believe rules don't apply.

I do think that due to the frustration over the past months of being forced to watch the lake become choked with weed, but see nothing done to combat it, animosity has grown amongst many anglers towards the committee. I myself am guilty of this - possibly more so than others. That animosity - and the fact that the members of this site are passionate and care deeply about Ravenfield carp lake - then leads to comments being rashly made that otherwise might possibly never have been said. Due to this, when committee members have read the posts and replies on this site, they have - quite rightly I would stick my neck out and say - taken the decision to deny us the pleasure of fishing the big pond.

I always believed that for carp anglers to fish the big pond was us doing the matchmen a favour, as we were helping rid the pond of fish that were of a size that damaged matchmen's tackle etc. I have been assured by Terry that this is not the case at all. Allowing carp anglers to fish the big pond for a week was a concession kindly made for us by the committee to allow the carp anglers the chance to fish for carp that we otherwise would not have the chance catch. It also gave us the opportunity to stock the carp lake with more fish to catch, as any carp caught throughout the week were to be put into the carp lake instead of being returned to the water from which they came.

I think that over the past months many sides of many different stories have been told, most in good faith, which has led to anglers building a very distorted view of the Ravenfield committee. Yes, there are many ways in which things could be improved - most especially a means of good communication between anglers and the committee - but maybe instead of continuing with potentially harmful speculation, we put our efforts into attempting to build a better relationship with members of the committee, and work towards solutions that will benefit all anglers, matchmen and carpers alike.

Does anyone object to me penning a letter of apology and forwarding it to Ravenfield committee, for and on behalf of us all?

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This is getting silly, I asked Terry yestarday if he could ask at the meeting if we would be allowed to keep the bivies up IF it was raining and matchmen had brollies up, just to keep our bed chairs dry and other gear.

I havent slanged any committee activities off. I think its being very petty to stop us fishing it, although we can fish it anyhow the same as the match men just using one rod but wihout night fishing it.

Like I said elsewhere Stu, we are governed by the committee, I don't want you to applogise on my behalf, I havent said anything that I need to appologise for. If they want to take the view that we are like naughty children fine, so be it.

All I am guilty of is providing a forum for any users of Ravenfield to chat and share catch results etc as well as offer their services and coordinate themselves into work parties and get in touch with friends etc etc.



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Having re-read your rather eloquent post Stu I have to say I agree with this:

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I did say that part of the problem was the fact that anglers were being told one thing regarding dates and times etc, only for another angler to be told something completely different a week later, which leads to confusion and frustration.

Hence the forums for sharing information.

And I was also told:
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I always believed that for carp anglers to fish the big pond was us doing the matchmen a favour, as we were helping rid the pond of fish that were of a size that damaged matchmen's tackle etc.

Please note I am not casting doubt about the size of the average match anglers tackle (although I have heard rumours :))

Anyhow, its all in the past now, it does leave a bitter taste in the mouth though, I feel like I have been sent to the naughty corner along with the rest of the class because the teacher can't work out who blew the rasberry!

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I actually feel the same way Adi. I have read the posts that all anglers have put up, and cannot say that I disagree with anything that any of the lads has said. I suppose it could be argued that when I and Andy mentioned an unwillingness to take down our bivvies that it could be construed as being confrontational, but the ruling was just plain daft and lacked any common sense.

I do believe that members on the committee have not accepted any blame for the feelings of animosity that is currently running amongst the carp anglers due to their complete inaction over such a lengthy period of time. I keep wondering how they would like it if they had been forced to pay for their fishing up front, only to be denied any chance of doing any due to the state of their match ponds. I'm sure they wouldn't like, especially if they witnessed work being being carried on the carp lake week after week.

And this forum that you have so generously taken the time out to create and give anglers a base on which to share information and air feelings is one of the best things that has come about regarding Ravenfield for years. You should be applauded for your efforts, and I for one do applaud you and thank for it. Denied the opportunity as I am so frequently of getting down to the lake due to my illness, this forum has become my angling lifeline, the only way I can keep up with events happening on the lake. And I think it rather underhand for committee members to peruse the site, read the comments made and take such comments as a verbal assurance that anglers will break the rules if allowed to fish. Being angry or frustrated about the apparent stupidity of rules is a far cry from actually taking the step to break such rules when put in place.

The only reason I mentioned penning a letter of apology to the committee was with the view of having hopeful future contact with them regarding the running and welfare of the carp lake. It was to let them know that no angler would knowingly break any set rule, and the apology would simply be for any comments made that might have unerringly inferred this. I just thought that if the committee members believed us to be cavaliers, they may refuse to attempt any integration with us when it comes to decisions being made and work parties being organised next season.

Your words though, from a previous post, have certainly come back to be shouted out loud and clear. The committee certainly does have sole control and power over all anglers on the carp lake, and we are at their very fickle mercy . . .

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Basically we are at the mercy of the committee, I suppose at last years AGM they were elected by the club membership, thats how we do things in the free world. They speak for the majority I presume.

What is unfortunate is the carp lake has a definite bad reputation now for being choked with weed. I was even advised against getting membership last year at 2 of the big tackle shops in Doncaster and one in Rotherham. This is going to put new members off to replace the ones who aren't going to renew next year. We will become an even smaller minority.

If you feel you need to say sorry to the committee Stu go for it, I have re-read all my posts and like I said earlier I have nothing to say sorry for, my only regret is if it is this forum that made the committee stop us having the week on the Great Lake; after all the forum was set up to keep the carp lads informed of such events.

The forum was also dreamt up after asking for a notice to be put on the notice board with a date for the official weed raking event so I would know when to turn up to help was not put up and the raking ended up being a failure.

Anyhow, no talking in the naughty corner! :) Or we will get our legs slapped again! :)

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What the hells happened. I,ve only been away two days, it feels like two weeks

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The committee pulled the plug on fishing the Great Pond, not really sure why, I have asked for teh minutes from the committee meeting but they cant be released for another couple of months, official secrets act or something LOL, they have to be approved first at the next meeting.

I think comments about leaving bivvies up didnt go down very well, but who knows. :D
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Well just wait until they continue to get the top sections smashed, after all thats what it was all about. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face!!

As for the posts on the forum, well they need to go to a certain tackle shop[a big one with lots of customers in the area] and ask for their views on the carp lake. It makes the forum look like something of kids TV.

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Oh well :( There is one good thing I suppose is the few of us still fishing get the place to ourselves!

I was told (official source) that the carp arent a problem in the Gt pond.

Without breaking any rules I am going to fish it this week anyhow, just one rod, no bite alarm (apparently we cant use them but havent found that rule yet) see what is in there. I guess we also need to get an official line on what we do with any fish caught, just return them where they come from now I guess?
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 Terry has supposedly been fishing the Gt Pond for weeks now and transferring all the fish he's caught into the carp lake. He told me this himself. But then we aren't committee members, are we, so who knows what will happen if we are caught attempting to do this. Again, it's just another example of the lack of available communication with the powers that be. Do we go along taking Terry's word and follow his example, or what? It's anyone's guess . . .

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Re: Ravenfield Committee Vote Not To Allow Anglers The Right To Fish The Big Pond
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 04:51:42 PM »
I would say do exactly what it says on your permit mate, dont move fish about. Leave it to the KGB  erm I mean the committee :)

Damn Damn now look what I've said Ill get us all banned! Doh sorry Sorry!!!  :-[
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Re: Ravenfield Committee Vote Not To Allow Anglers The Right To Fish The Big Pond
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 05:25:51 PM »
Adi, you naughty boy!!  You are given one hundred lines. Now, repeat after me, "I must not knock the KGB - oops, not me as well! Now I'll have to do some lines . . .

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Re: Ravenfield Committee Vote Not To Allow Anglers The Right To Fish The Big Pond
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 05:31:48 PM »
Im sending miss whiplash round to give you a good thrashing
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