shocking rigs

[STUART09]

hi all did last night and had a lovely 19.2 mirror only to be rather shocked and upset to find a rig attached to its mouth complete with leadcore and lead on first inspection everything looked ok but was horrified to vfind that the back beads had been glued on and there was no way this fish could have shed the hook as the weight of the lead was holding it in it had been there a while as the mouth was turning black where the hook point entered plus the leadcore was discoloured and hook starting to taint in colour , i am only shocked that this fish survived and why someone would even attempt to do this , i am sure the majority would agree 

[pete]

shocking, a total disregard for fish safety

[hursty]

What was going through the mind of the DICKHEAD (sorry but cannot think of a better adjective) that put that rig together ? Maybe he was pissed !!
It is impossible to pick up a carp magazine without reading about how to create safe rigs these days , and currently the use of leadcore is a very hot topic . So whoever is responsible for this has no excuse at all . I don't know of many anglers who use the chod rig and I'm sure collectively we only know of a few who do use it at Ravo, if needed I am sure we could narrow it down to a few l
One bead on the lead core above the lead is more than enough , two is irresponsible ! However , to superglue two beads is downright stupid . I am surprised that someone who thinks this kind of practice is ok , has even the the mental capacity to open the padlock on the gate let alone tie up a chod rig !!
Having discussed this with Terry , we will be carrying out checks on rigs . I am sure you fellas will support this stance and understand why this has become neccessary .
UNBELIEVABLE

[Tiger Nuts]

  very sad indeed. Is that a nut or a cork ball? Was there any mainline on the leadcore at all? I'm wondering if the mainline was less than the minimum 11lb. Lets face it, there arent that many fish in Ravo that will break 11lb line unless you are very unlucky. I think most people use heavier line anyhow. I know it is a hot subject but I don't think leadcore is a problem IF it is used right.

After that article was published about the korda leader I had a look at the one I have in my tackle box. I put it together using a set of Korda beads and found that the funny shaped bead they make struggles to slide over the weighted bits in the leader. I certainly wouldnt use it with them anyhow. ESP do some beads that slip over OK.

[hursty]

the safest way to fish with any leader is to use a lead clip or inline lead which will drop off . The problem is not with lead core but the people who use it incorrectly .
I agree with your sentiments Adi , and used if safely it shouldn't pose a problem . But even leadclips are set up wrongly and I have seen pictures which show tail rubbers superglued onto the clip . God help us!!!
I think we must all be a little more vigilant , and if we witness a rig which is "sub par" then mention it to the angler in question .

[STUART09]

hi lads i was horrified i use leadcore and have never had a problem and the only purpose of a back bead is to stop the hooklink shooting up the mainline on the cast and landing so it needs to be as slack as possible ive started tying pva tape on the leader which is adequate enough to act as a back bead but once dissolved theres nothing at all to stop the hooklink parting company with the lead and leader it had no line attached was a barbless hook and a cork ball i have saved the rig to pass on to terry it took me a pair of pliers to force it free and im just glad it was caught now as i think soon it would be dead , i just hope who ever made it up looks hard at themselfs and instead of the club worrying about people visiting the shop when there is more important issues at hand hope you agree (i am not saying the other issues are unimportant )

[andyoak]

Barbed hooks last year now this. I think the commitee members should be making more checks on rigs etc, and not just the people thay think might be iffy. To make it fair everyones rigs need to be checked until standards improve. I know it can be a pain when you have just spent ages making and setting a rig in the right spot but we are just going to have to bare with it. I am confident with my rigs but will be more than happy to real in and show anyone that asks.

Tinker did bluebell at the weekend and had his rigs checked by the baliff, 7.30 at night just when people are set for the night but these things need to be kept on top of.

 "I don't know of many anglers who use the chod rig and I'm sure collectively we only know of a few who do use it at Ravo, if needed I am sure we could narrow it down to a few"

I think I know who you are getting at her husty and not standing up for him but I have seen his rigs and this doesn't look like one of them, unless that is he has changed them.

[Tiger Nuts]

THink about the cork ball, more a home roled bait type thing that is isnt it? I think most shop bought baits use pop up mix now dont they?

I think yet another sign is in order with a good quality photo of the rig on it perhaps even if we dont know who tied it they will see the error of their ways or realise they got it wrong. Maybe they just didnt realise what they had tied, it is easy enough done if you are new to rig tying.

[andyoak]

Sorry adi but to tie a rig that wrong then they shouldn't be on the lake, or any lake for that matter

[Tiger Nuts]

Maybe there should be an entrance exam then You get 30 minutes to tie 3 different rigs.

[hursty]

I wasn't referring to any single angler when I mentioned those who fish chods , just implying that more anglers don't use it than do .
With regard to checking rigs Andy , you are right when you say every one should be checked and not a select few . It would only be a matter of reeling one rig in .I am more than happy for anyone see mine and I am sure that the vast majoriity of rigs used by others are safe and they will feel the same .
Stuart , I totally agree that issues such as this are of great importance . But does it actually come as a surprise to anyone that after the reported behaviour we hear of on the bank , that we then find this rig ? It's just a sad reflection of the state of play at the moment , but this only further reinforces the clubs decision to send the recent letter .

[andyoak]

I some times fish a chod but the way I do it is to use a large bore bead that runs free on the lead core and passes over the needle knot that holds the lead core to the mainline. Then to hold the bead in place a blob of glue opps sorry I mean a small bit of shrink tube. 1mm ish and the bead then sits on the tube and the slightest pull and the bead passes onto the lead core and is free to run up the mainline. I dont like the silcone that comes in the kits as I have found it some times rolls into a ball on the leader and then jams the bead. Add to this the use of a combi and I feel its as safe as house's.

My self and adi have had this out at alderfen as the owner up there won't let you fish leadcore and rigs such as chods and heli's. Fished right I think there is no safer rig. Lets say you are fishing a lead clip and something goes wrong  and you crack off on the cast. If a fish then picks up that rig it could have yards of line trailing from it to get snagged on weed and roots etc. Ok it will drop the lead but it will still have the line and rig. With a chod [tied right] the rig will pass over the leader knot and along the main line and the fish will end up with just the rig, maybe 2" long and not yards off main line. I don't know what everyone esle thinks about this but I just feel if a fish does end up with a rig and line it is better for that to be 2" than 40 yards!!

"I wasn't referring to any single angler when I mentioned those who fish chods" soz hurtsy I read too much into that

[hursty]

andy I think you're right . Set  up correctly it is probably the safest set up . Trouble is  it is so easy to make a pigs ear of it if  the angler is inexperienced . Hence it is often banned , not that I am suggesting that in this case .
I just think that all of us should consider the worst case scenario when we put a rig together , regardless of the rig in question .

[totallycarpy]

rigs should be checked just before dark for simple reason off changin rigs. this is propably worst time but end off day its check rigs or lose fish i no what i would do. dont know about any1 else...i use leadcore but i wouldnt dream off glueing the beads stuck i wouldnt like it if that was me with a hook and line with a lead stuck in my mouth while swimming about..

[STUART09]

I MUST BRING THIS UP AGAIN BUT I CANT BELIEVE THAT MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO KNOW WHO THIS RIG BELONGED TO AND NOTHING AS BEEN DONE OR SAID TO THE PERSON RESPONSABLE PLUS I MUST HAVE DONE 10 SESSIONS SINCE THIS OCCCURED AND NOT ONCE HAVE I HAD MY RIGS CHECKED IM NOT GOING TO NAME THE PERSON BUT WOULD I BE IN THE RIGHT TO CHECK HIS RIGS OR AS IT GOT TO BE A BAILIFF AS I TAKE TRHIS SUBJECT VERY SERIOUS AND DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE IGNORED